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Wednesday, November 26, 2014
Keep Calm and Gobble On
From Acer Farm to all of you
Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!!!!!
(this would be our horses if we let them in the door
Otto, OCD and High Glycemic Response Feeds
Yes, we are altering the feed program AGAIN for Otto. You might ask why because we all know that frequent feed changes for horses isn't really a good thing.
Otto is now at near optimal body condition for his age. That is a good thing. My vet is pleased with his weight, I am pleased with his weight and he seems like he feels good judging from his playing and overall attitude. Maybe a little too good! The improved quality feed has paid off. His feet are even beginning to show some noticeable rings indicative of the feed change.
So why fix it if it isn't broke??
After speaking to the vet about his growth, his "previous" feed program, and discovering that the Safeshoice Original formula is not TRULY a low starch or controlled carb feed, (thanks to Mel for discovering what I overlooked!) it was time to reconsider.
(**Note to self in the future- READ the damn feed tag in detail and DON'T ASSUME it truly is a low carb feed because that is what the pretty packaging said.. Seriously.. I do know better.. )
More than ulcers, risk of colic or anything else related to feed or feed changes, our biggest concern for Otto is developing OCD (Osteochondritis Dissecans)
There is a direct correlation between horses developing issues with Osteochondritis Dissecans ( OCD) and feeds that contain high glycemic responses. There is also an increased risk for foals that were born large, with faster than average growth rates i.e. Otto.
There is a ton of information out there on this subject. Kentucky Equine Research did a study in the 90's and I also found this Field study. An interesting read if you have the time. If not, I will spare you the time and summarize the basic concept from one of many articles on the subject:
"The source of calories for young horses may also be important, as hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia have been implicated in the pathogenesis of OCD. Foals that repeatedly experience an exaggerated and sustained increase in circulating glucose or insulin in response to a carbohydrate (grain) meal may be predisposed to the development of OCD."
( date accessed 11/26/2014 ; http://www.equinews.com/article/bridge-the-gap-between-ocd-and-nutrition)
Otto was not only born a large colt (according to his previous owners) but he was also not being fed the best of feed the first year and half of his life. If the hay quality they sent him here with is any indicator of the typical hay he had access to through his short life, then he was probably not meeting his nutrition requirements. That, compounded by the fact that he was also being fed a 3 way cob with corn and molasses and oats.. ??? That's two strikes in my opinion.
The first thing I did when he got here was transition him to beet pulp and Safechoice Mare and Foal along with Equipride for the fat. He was underweight so getting some weight on him was a priority especially since we were headed into winter.
As you may recall, he decided one morning he didn't like the Mare and Foal and refused it so we switched to another feed , Safechoice Original formula (see note to self above).
He has certainly enjoyed this grain but it's not exactly a good fit for what he needs. So ... it was back to shopping for the right product.
Walking down the aisle at the local feed store retailer these days is almost as bad as walking down the aisle of skin care at the local walmart. There's a choice for whatever ails ya , but scratch the surface a bit , and it's the same old pig , only with wheels.
In my hunting and researching, I have been able to whittle it down to some basic guidelines to look for as far as ingredients when you want a true low starch grain.
1st rule of thumb-(not trying to be captain obvious here but still worth the mention)
AVOID CORN, OATS, BARLEY in all cases.
As far as which grain I select goes, I am looking at a couple of options of feeds. Price wise they are similar and within a few dollar of each other. Ingredient wise they are also similar. One has some cane molasses in it as a 5th ingredient so it's really not a huge concern to me. The other product I am considering has NO molasses but also contains flaxseed which is a bonus.
The biggest difference is availability and/or convenience with sourcing it on a monthly basis. I am not always good at getting my new supply of grain 2 weeks before I run out. Most times it's more like 2 days before I run out. If the grain choice is not available when I need it last minute, I don't want to be faced with waiting a week for the feed store to get it back in.
Ah, the joys of living somewhere with limited choices!
Otto is now at near optimal body condition for his age. That is a good thing. My vet is pleased with his weight, I am pleased with his weight and he seems like he feels good judging from his playing and overall attitude. Maybe a little too good! The improved quality feed has paid off. His feet are even beginning to show some noticeable rings indicative of the feed change.
So why fix it if it isn't broke??
After speaking to the vet about his growth, his "previous" feed program, and discovering that the Safeshoice Original formula is not TRULY a low starch or controlled carb feed, (thanks to Mel for discovering what I overlooked!) it was time to reconsider.
(**Note to self in the future- READ the damn feed tag in detail and DON'T ASSUME it truly is a low carb feed because that is what the pretty packaging said.. Seriously.. I do know better.. )
There is a direct correlation between horses developing issues with Osteochondritis Dissecans ( OCD) and feeds that contain high glycemic responses. There is also an increased risk for foals that were born large, with faster than average growth rates i.e. Otto.
There is a ton of information out there on this subject. Kentucky Equine Research did a study in the 90's and I also found this Field study. An interesting read if you have the time. If not, I will spare you the time and summarize the basic concept from one of many articles on the subject:
"The source of calories for young horses may also be important, as hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia have been implicated in the pathogenesis of OCD. Foals that repeatedly experience an exaggerated and sustained increase in circulating glucose or insulin in response to a carbohydrate (grain) meal may be predisposed to the development of OCD."
( date accessed 11/26/2014 ; http://www.equinews.com/article/bridge-the-gap-between-ocd-and-nutrition)
Otto was not only born a large colt (according to his previous owners) but he was also not being fed the best of feed the first year and half of his life. If the hay quality they sent him here with is any indicator of the typical hay he had access to through his short life, then he was probably not meeting his nutrition requirements. That, compounded by the fact that he was also being fed a 3 way cob with corn and molasses and oats.. ??? That's two strikes in my opinion.
The first thing I did when he got here was transition him to beet pulp and Safechoice Mare and Foal along with Equipride for the fat. He was underweight so getting some weight on him was a priority especially since we were headed into winter.
As you may recall, he decided one morning he didn't like the Mare and Foal and refused it so we switched to another feed , Safechoice Original formula (see note to self above).
He has certainly enjoyed this grain but it's not exactly a good fit for what he needs. So ... it was back to shopping for the right product.
Walking down the aisle at the local feed store retailer these days is almost as bad as walking down the aisle of skin care at the local walmart. There's a choice for whatever ails ya , but scratch the surface a bit , and it's the same old pig , only with wheels.
In my hunting and researching, I have been able to whittle it down to some basic guidelines to look for as far as ingredients when you want a true low starch grain.
1st rule of thumb-(not trying to be captain obvious here but still worth the mention)
AVOID CORN, OATS, BARLEY in all cases.
- Wheat Middlings- This is the the part of the wheat hull that is the smaller part of the wheat ( as opposed to the wheat bran part used in processing flour). It is known for adding good fiber digestibility to feeds. Midds actuaully have a high NSC level, about 33% BUT because of the fiber and being combined in feeds with fat, it levels things out. It also packs a punch when you look at the DE megacaloris per pound. It is often one of the FIRST ingredients found on several Low starch grain available.
- Dried Distillers Grain - a by product of grain fermentation for either alcohol for consumption or producing ethanol. They are grounded and yeast is added. It is then heated to convert the starches and sugear into alcohol leaving behind a low NSC ingredient that is high in protein and fat. It's then dried and used in livestock feed.
- Soybean Hulls:This is a by product of crushing soybeans. They are low in lignin and high in fiber. They are considered a source of protein .
- Alfalfa meal- ground up alfalfa and considered a high calorie fiber
- Shredded beet pulp: most of us are familiar with this miracle fiber for horses,however there is still some misconception out there that it is high in sugar because its derived from sugar beets. The processing removes the sugars, leaving a by product with very low NSC (well under 20%) and very digestible fiber. One thing about beet pulp is that is has some odd mineral properties that can throw off a horses balance if not careful
- Rice Bran- yet another fiber and it also serves to add calories to a horses diet without the carb load. The main problem with Rice bran , when fed in large amounts, is that the Calcium and Phosphorus ratio is reversed from what a horse actually needs so back in the day when people would often feed warm rice bran mashes to their horses, it really wasn't the best practice.
- Molasses or Cane Molasses- i was surprised to see this as an ingredient in low carb/low starch horse grain but it was there nonetheless in some. Its used for palatability and combined with soy oil , keeps textured feed from separating. It seems it doesn't necessarily need to be feared, if it is on a feed tag as a 3rd , 4th or further down ingredient number . It may only make up 1% of the total feed.
Last rule of thumb- Possibly more important than anything else, is that really , no matter what grain I choose, the key is the forage, long stem good quality hay , as much as he wants at this point. Otto is fortunate and I am reminded to be very grateful. I am able to keep him in a fairly ideal setting on our pasture . It's not alot, but its more than what alot of horse owners have. While our pasture is pretty much gone, there is still some dormant grass he is able to pick at throughout the day. In fact, he will actually choose to pick and graze at that over his hay at various times through out the day. I keep hay in front of him most of the time and this alone goes a long ways to keeping him as healthy as possible.
As far as which grain I select goes, I am looking at a couple of options of feeds. Price wise they are similar and within a few dollar of each other. Ingredient wise they are also similar. One has some cane molasses in it as a 5th ingredient so it's really not a huge concern to me. The other product I am considering has NO molasses but also contains flaxseed which is a bonus.
The biggest difference is availability and/or convenience with sourcing it on a monthly basis. I am not always good at getting my new supply of grain 2 weeks before I run out. Most times it's more like 2 days before I run out. If the grain choice is not available when I need it last minute, I don't want to be faced with waiting a week for the feed store to get it back in.
Ah, the joys of living somewhere with limited choices!
Monday, November 24, 2014
Spider pig.. Spider pig... ( no... Spider horse...)
Otto and Cassidy were at the vet on Saturday and it's all positive news. Cassidy has his tooth issues sorted out for another year and Otto has gained 100 lbs since September. He has finally reached a near optimal body condition. WOO HOO! So the feed program has worked however, we are reevaluating things a bit based on discussions with the vet about young horses with fast growth rates and the potential OCD risk with higher insulin/higher carb diets. The timing of all this is about perfect because we also have some newly discovered information about the grain I have had Otto on that isn't quite what we thought it was.. that is Controlled or Low Carb. The post came out of Mel's blog recently . If your curious, check it out here (check out the comments too).
In spite of Otto's improved body condition, we still get the reactions of people, including my vet, when they see this long legged monster of mine. His choice of words were... in between chuckles... was "What in the world do we have here??"
*** The last time we had Otto into the vet, we didn't get to see my "regular" vet and instead had to take an appointment with the new associate lady vet at the practice, so this the first time he had seen our latest addition to the herd
Ofcourse our vet also knows that we typically have stocky short Morgans and Barbs so he was a little surprised to see us bringing the spider looking colt in to see him. We all had a good chuckle when he compared him to a teenage girl that hit a growth spurt. Yep.. he's all leg.. The good news is that he was pretty sure his leg length is probably done with growth at this point.
There was other good news too. Remember the the weird scar, possible sarcoid looking thingy on his pastern I posted about here?????
As it turns out , it is just what I suspected and hoped for... old injury that went untreated leaving behind a nasty scar , likely due to proud flesh development. The only thing we have to be careful of is to make sure we keep up on his hoof trimming , especially on the inside wall of the opposite hoof to eliminate any risk of Otto interfering. The interference could cause the area to become re-injured ,which can cause it to become an open wound, which could become a sarcoid in the right environment. I had no idea but apparently, sarcoids can be caused by a certain fly larvae passing from Cattle to horses with open wounds. ( sorry don't have the specific details about this beyond that and didn't jot anything down so it was information that went in and went out)
I actually haven't seen Otto catch himself at all since he has been turned out . My suspicions that the full time turn out will improve his coordination were accurate .. and I don't have a physically challenged baby colt..
On other fronts he does not appear to have any wolf teeth erupting at this time. When we schedule for his castration next spring they will check again and remove if they have erupted. Otto also had his boosters so all things being equal, he is all set until next spring when Otto becomes an IT.
In spite of Otto's improved body condition, we still get the reactions of people, including my vet, when they see this long legged monster of mine. His choice of words were... in between chuckles... was "What in the world do we have here??"
*** The last time we had Otto into the vet, we didn't get to see my "regular" vet and instead had to take an appointment with the new associate lady vet at the practice, so this the first time he had seen our latest addition to the herd
Ofcourse our vet also knows that we typically have stocky short Morgans and Barbs so he was a little surprised to see us bringing the spider looking colt in to see him. We all had a good chuckle when he compared him to a teenage girl that hit a growth spurt. Yep.. he's all leg.. The good news is that he was pretty sure his leg length is probably done with growth at this point.
There was other good news too. Remember the the weird scar, possible sarcoid looking thingy on his pastern I posted about here?????
As it turns out , it is just what I suspected and hoped for... old injury that went untreated leaving behind a nasty scar , likely due to proud flesh development. The only thing we have to be careful of is to make sure we keep up on his hoof trimming , especially on the inside wall of the opposite hoof to eliminate any risk of Otto interfering. The interference could cause the area to become re-injured ,which can cause it to become an open wound, which could become a sarcoid in the right environment. I had no idea but apparently, sarcoids can be caused by a certain fly larvae passing from Cattle to horses with open wounds. ( sorry don't have the specific details about this beyond that and didn't jot anything down so it was information that went in and went out)
I actually haven't seen Otto catch himself at all since he has been turned out . My suspicions that the full time turn out will improve his coordination were accurate .. and I don't have a physically challenged baby colt..
On other fronts he does not appear to have any wolf teeth erupting at this time. When we schedule for his castration next spring they will check again and remove if they have erupted. Otto also had his boosters so all things being equal, he is all set until next spring when Otto becomes an IT.
Going to the vet also provided a great day of learning opportunities for the young lad. He had to load and unload twice, go somewhere new, get messed with by strangers, stand around and wait for Cassidy to finish his dental while drills were going and making all kinds of noise, and watch other people and horses coming and going. We even took advantage of the tie rings attached to the very safe cement wall at the clinic and did a session on standing tied. He did really good. He would get to the end of his line, hesitate for a second, and then step forward or sideways to release the pressure. That left me feeling much better about his progress with standing tied. I was quite proud of my little spider horse.
Our footing has degraded to slippery slushy ice so not much happening with ground work at this time. Cassidy is showing a marked improvement in his attitude with his teeth done and was actually playing with Otto, even playing with the ball with Otto, (which is no longer a ball but a pancake) Cassidy playing is acutally kind of remarkable.. if you knew Cassidy. Playing is below his royal highness!
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| Otto sizing his buddy up |
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| The not so stealthy attach move, easily thwarted by the Cass Man |
Wednesday, November 19, 2014
Random Updates
Well it's official. I received Otto's registration papers in the mail and apparently AHA wanted to be doubley sure, because they sent me two copies. This is first time I have owned a horse registered with the AHA. I was actually surprised that the half Arabians are all part of the same registry as the full bred Arabians. I was thinking there was a separate Registry for anything less than full Arabian.
So, I need to research the awards programs, and all that goes along with it. This is all new territory for me. My background is Morgans and the Jockey Club.
It's been a busy week. Temps have mostly regulated but it's still been quite cold. It's provided a great learning opportunity for blanketing.
With the cold temps Otto has had lots of practice with the blankets being put on and taken off. If it's above 15 degrees, he gets to be naked. The day time highs have been in the low to mid 20's and he seems to be handling those temps just fine without a blanket. Night time lows dip into the single digits so when he gets his evening grain, he gets his blanket put back on. We have only had one issue with the blanket. He managed to chew up the ends of the front chest straps the first day he wore it but we worked on "correcting" that behavior in short order.
He really needs a size 66" right now but the smallest I have is a 69 " so we are making it work. I am keeping an eye open for a used 66" . I really don't want to buy new because I know in three months he will have outgrown it.
On other fronts, in addition to cold temps, my poor baby colt (cough) has apparently done something to his eye. He has had a weepy , slightly swollen right eye that I have been watching for a few days. I am not sure how long he has been having an issue but I only noticed it this past weekend. There doesn't seem to be anything in it that I can see , nor does he appear to be rubbing it, that I have noticed, but it's definitely not right.
Yesterday it looked worse , so I put some eye ointment in it to see if it would give him any relief. It It seems to be helping. yesterday, it looked better and the watering had stopped. The swelling was slightly less. So , I have been giving him a shot in the eye of goop each morning and night.
When it comes to eyes, I don't take any chances. We have a vet appt scheduled on Saturday for Cassidy to get his dental, so we decided to schedule Otto to go in as well. He needs his boosters anyways and I can get a new weight on him as well. And.. I will probably have them take a look at that spot on his pastern as well. * Update on that is that it hasn't changed a bit and it doesn't seem to be bothering him when I touch that area anymore.
there is also the added benefit of trailer loading practice and getting to go somewhere.
I actually worked on the loading the first week he arrived here, because in the event of the emergency situation where we have a :
" I need you to get your butt in the trailer NOW " moment...
I wanted to make sure we had the loading thing down. He got it figured out pretty quickly but his dismount needs work. For now it's manageable. He just has to ponder the getting out. At this point, I let him turn around and step out but we have to work on the backing out because before long, he will be too big to turn around.
We will leave that for another day..
So, while we wait for Saturday to arrive and we can get to the vet, we have been instructed to keep putting the ointment in as long it doesn't appear to be making things worse. At this point it isn't.
Ofcourse getting the ointment into his eye is a trick. Otto doesn't exactly think it's too much of a fun game and doesn't cooperate like I would like him too. I am trying to be quick about it but his studdy mouthiness is making it more challenging. getting mouthy. Just getting the halter on him alone is a trial by fire process because he tries to grab a hold of it as I am slipping it over his muzzle. Once I manage to get the halter on, he is busy trying to chew the lead rope, my sleeve, or whatever else he can find to get in his mouth. I am ready to buy him a horse sized passifier. Cassidy is concerned he won't have a tail left by spring because Otto likes to get a hold of it pull it , so hard that sometimes, Otto gets a mouth ful of tail hair
The plan was/ is to wait until April before we get him gelded. Mostly, he is fine (other than his mouthiness) but his boy hormones are kicking in it seems. He's not super studdy , he isn't pushy to handle, but there is the rearing thing when I try to work him on the ground. That seems to come and go at this point . I am beginning to think it has less to do with being a stud and it's more of a behavior issue when he doesn't get his way. Some days are good , some days are bad. I did heavily consider arranging to have him gelded this weekend.
My vet said he COULD geld him on Saturday..meaning he has time in his schedule. There are pros's and cons to consider and in typical fashion, decisions like this, I might tend to overcatastophize the situation. After a bit of hand wrenching on my part trying to decided, I sat down with pencil and paper and made my pro's and con's list. This made the decision alot easier.
The cons of doing it now:
*** Normally I would not consider this so heavily,especially if I was talking about a Morgan. I am big fan of big heavy bone. Unrefined is preferable to me!I know that heavy build or bone isn't always "preferred" in endurance but it's important as far as durability in my book. Right now, Otto's frame is lighter than I would like to see for a horse his size, which I believe , ( hope)is more likely due to poor nutrition and lack of turnout in his prior situation. I really want him to develop as much heavy bone as his genetic makeup is capable of. His sire and Dam both had substantial enough (not as much as I would like to see) bone for their respective breeds, so I have to believe he stands a good chance of developing the same. Keeping him a stallion just a bit longer should help that.
Pros of doing it now
I think the cons mostly outweigh the pros at this point. He is not studdy enough that he is dangerous to me , himself or the other horses. He is more than manageable . If he does get too abusive to Cassidy, I can always try putting Brego or JB in his pasture with him. They will are much more inclined to put him in his place than Cassidy would ever think to be.
On the rearing thing, I was thinking back because Brego was a talented rearer as a youngster and his older brother Roman fixed the issue with a well timed shoulder check into Brego just as he was going up. We happened to be standing out there when it happened. Brego was being his annoying self and trying to get his older brother to play . Brego was quick to go up as his preferred way of showing his dominance, Roman shouldered into Brego at just the very right moment. Brego went down like a ton of bricks. I don't think we ever saw him rear again.
So while we don't have Roman anymore, we do have Brego , who, as he has matured is very much like a clone of Roman. Maybe ... just maybe we have the solution to the problem for Otto after all!
So, I need to research the awards programs, and all that goes along with it. This is all new territory for me. My background is Morgans and the Jockey Club.
It's been a busy week. Temps have mostly regulated but it's still been quite cold. It's provided a great learning opportunity for blanketing.
With the cold temps Otto has had lots of practice with the blankets being put on and taken off. If it's above 15 degrees, he gets to be naked. The day time highs have been in the low to mid 20's and he seems to be handling those temps just fine without a blanket. Night time lows dip into the single digits so when he gets his evening grain, he gets his blanket put back on. We have only had one issue with the blanket. He managed to chew up the ends of the front chest straps the first day he wore it but we worked on "correcting" that behavior in short order.
He really needs a size 66" right now but the smallest I have is a 69 " so we are making it work. I am keeping an eye open for a used 66" . I really don't want to buy new because I know in three months he will have outgrown it.
On other fronts, in addition to cold temps, my poor baby colt (cough) has apparently done something to his eye. He has had a weepy , slightly swollen right eye that I have been watching for a few days. I am not sure how long he has been having an issue but I only noticed it this past weekend. There doesn't seem to be anything in it that I can see , nor does he appear to be rubbing it, that I have noticed, but it's definitely not right.
Yesterday it looked worse , so I put some eye ointment in it to see if it would give him any relief. It It seems to be helping. yesterday, it looked better and the watering had stopped. The swelling was slightly less. So , I have been giving him a shot in the eye of goop each morning and night.
When it comes to eyes, I don't take any chances. We have a vet appt scheduled on Saturday for Cassidy to get his dental, so we decided to schedule Otto to go in as well. He needs his boosters anyways and I can get a new weight on him as well. And.. I will probably have them take a look at that spot on his pastern as well. * Update on that is that it hasn't changed a bit and it doesn't seem to be bothering him when I touch that area anymore.
there is also the added benefit of trailer loading practice and getting to go somewhere.
I actually worked on the loading the first week he arrived here, because in the event of the emergency situation where we have a :
" I need you to get your butt in the trailer NOW " moment...
I wanted to make sure we had the loading thing down. He got it figured out pretty quickly but his dismount needs work. For now it's manageable. He just has to ponder the getting out. At this point, I let him turn around and step out but we have to work on the backing out because before long, he will be too big to turn around.
We will leave that for another day..
So, while we wait for Saturday to arrive and we can get to the vet, we have been instructed to keep putting the ointment in as long it doesn't appear to be making things worse. At this point it isn't.
Ofcourse getting the ointment into his eye is a trick. Otto doesn't exactly think it's too much of a fun game and doesn't cooperate like I would like him too. I am trying to be quick about it but his studdy mouthiness is making it more challenging. getting mouthy. Just getting the halter on him alone is a trial by fire process because he tries to grab a hold of it as I am slipping it over his muzzle. Once I manage to get the halter on, he is busy trying to chew the lead rope, my sleeve, or whatever else he can find to get in his mouth. I am ready to buy him a horse sized passifier. Cassidy is concerned he won't have a tail left by spring because Otto likes to get a hold of it pull it , so hard that sometimes, Otto gets a mouth ful of tail hair
The plan was/ is to wait until April before we get him gelded. Mostly, he is fine (other than his mouthiness) but his boy hormones are kicking in it seems. He's not super studdy , he isn't pushy to handle, but there is the rearing thing when I try to work him on the ground. That seems to come and go at this point . I am beginning to think it has less to do with being a stud and it's more of a behavior issue when he doesn't get his way. Some days are good , some days are bad. I did heavily consider arranging to have him gelded this weekend.
My vet said he COULD geld him on Saturday..meaning he has time in his schedule. There are pros's and cons to consider and in typical fashion, decisions like this, I might tend to overcatastophize the situation. After a bit of hand wrenching on my part trying to decided, I sat down with pencil and paper and made my pro's and con's list. This made the decision alot easier.
The cons of doing it now:
- Stress of weather added to trauma of wound could cause other issues.
- Colder weather means the horses move less generally, which means I have more work to keep him moving in order to keep the wound open and draining properly.That also means I would probably have to lunge him, which he doesn't exactly do at this point and the footing is bad enough in our round pen that I can't reasonably ask him to run around in there without risk of some other injury. ( gotta love winter)
- Lesser development in regards to heaviness of bone that would come if the boy hormones were allowed to remain a bit longer.
*** Normally I would not consider this so heavily,especially if I was talking about a Morgan. I am big fan of big heavy bone. Unrefined is preferable to me!I know that heavy build or bone isn't always "preferred" in endurance but it's important as far as durability in my book. Right now, Otto's frame is lighter than I would like to see for a horse his size, which I believe , ( hope)is more likely due to poor nutrition and lack of turnout in his prior situation. I really want him to develop as much heavy bone as his genetic makeup is capable of. His sire and Dam both had substantial enough (not as much as I would like to see) bone for their respective breeds, so I have to believe he stands a good chance of developing the same. Keeping him a stallion just a bit longer should help that.
- I wouldn't be able to coordinate the brand inspector in time so that I could have him freeze branded at the same time, while he is sedated (lessens the trauma of branding)
- I also want to have him micro chipped and I have NOT ordered a kit yet so I wouldn't have time to get one before Saturday anyways, which means I would have bring him back into the vet clinic anyways to have it inserted and entered into the database.
Pros of doing it now
- Rearing issue MIGHT go away..(but then again, maybe not , if my suspicions are right that its not about being a stud at all and he just needs more work to resolve a behavior issue regardless of the jewels being intact)
- Mouthiness goes away
- Studdy behavior become less ingrained
I think the cons mostly outweigh the pros at this point. He is not studdy enough that he is dangerous to me , himself or the other horses. He is more than manageable . If he does get too abusive to Cassidy, I can always try putting Brego or JB in his pasture with him. They will are much more inclined to put him in his place than Cassidy would ever think to be.
On the rearing thing, I was thinking back because Brego was a talented rearer as a youngster and his older brother Roman fixed the issue with a well timed shoulder check into Brego just as he was going up. We happened to be standing out there when it happened. Brego was being his annoying self and trying to get his older brother to play . Brego was quick to go up as his preferred way of showing his dominance, Roman shouldered into Brego at just the very right moment. Brego went down like a ton of bricks. I don't think we ever saw him rear again.
So while we don't have Roman anymore, we do have Brego , who, as he has matured is very much like a clone of Roman. Maybe ... just maybe we have the solution to the problem for Otto after all!
Thursday, November 13, 2014
Holiday Season for the Horse Lover in your Family
The stores have had Xmas decor up for weeks now, in fact I think I started seeing it right about the same time they started putting out Halloween candy and decorations. It seems like it gets earlier and earlier every year. The big pressure by retailers for consumers to spend. Every year it's worse and worse. I heard that retailers are expecting to set yet another records profit year. We Americans sure love to shop. I am pretty sure I don't contribute too much towards those profits. I am not much of a shopper, unless it's in tack store.. ofcourse. I definitely don't get wrapped up into the Black Friday thing. Ofcourse, last year, we did do the Thanksgiving night shopping, on our way home from dinner and got ourselves a new flat screen for a screaming deal. For the bargain price, I was willing to make a small exception, but only if there wasn't a line. There was a small line and we were in and out in 20 minutes..Flat screen in tow.
Since I am a horse person, most of the things I truly want for Christmas anymore are horse related items...and not necessarily needed items for the household..( a cuisine art frying pan?? really)
*ok the TV wasn't necessarily NEEDED since we already had one TV but..let's not split hairs here!
AND...
Since I am also the only horse person in my family, it was a very rare event growing up that any of my gifts resembled anything horse related. Ofcourse, I had great gifts, I am not complaining.. my parents worked their tails off to provide us kids with fantastic memories. But I do recall, in spite of my best efforts over over a period of several years, my family never could quite grasp the concept of that buying a saddle pad , a horse blanket , a bit, or a new pair of reins was acceptable and exciting to me.
So for all of you that might know of a horse person in your life, here's a little something that might help and believe me, if you gift with a horse related gift, you will be crowned the best christmas gift giver in the eyes of your loved one that has a larger wardrobe for their horse than they do for themselves.. I promise.
Let the Holiday Madness begin!
Since I am a horse person, most of the things I truly want for Christmas anymore are horse related items...and not necessarily needed items for the household..( a cuisine art frying pan?? really)
*ok the TV wasn't necessarily NEEDED since we already had one TV but..let's not split hairs here!
AND...
Since I am also the only horse person in my family, it was a very rare event growing up that any of my gifts resembled anything horse related. Ofcourse, I had great gifts, I am not complaining.. my parents worked their tails off to provide us kids with fantastic memories. But I do recall, in spite of my best efforts over over a period of several years, my family never could quite grasp the concept of that buying a saddle pad , a horse blanket , a bit, or a new pair of reins was acceptable and exciting to me.
So for all of you that might know of a horse person in your life, here's a little something that might help and believe me, if you gift with a horse related gift, you will be crowned the best christmas gift giver in the eyes of your loved one that has a larger wardrobe for their horse than they do for themselves.. I promise.
Let the Holiday Madness begin!
Wednesday, November 12, 2014
Arctic Blast Aftermath
We are still very cold, much colder than we should be this time of year. We should be in the 30's and 40's, not the single digits and negative digits at night.. but we are dealing.. The horses have all done fine, even Otto, who I was most concerned about. The water tank heaters have not caused us any grief and have quietly hummed along as they should , even in -25 with the wind chill factor. That makes me happy.
Less than a week ago we had been getting torrential rains for about a two week period. As you can imagine, that made for a major mud disaster in the corrals. We have a type of dirt that is a mix between a clay like and sandy loam type soil so when it rains, our Mud is really something to behold. It's like gumbo. We also had standing water in many places because everything was so saturated, it wasn't sinking in any more. (you desert dwellers don't know how fortunate you are to have sand ) Horses came and went in and out of the corrals through the mud in order to get to the water tanks and barns. Well. with the artic blast on Sunday night, that all froze rock solid.
We are now left with really hard ground that has divits from hoof prints and high spots in between. Its ankle breaking footing and very difficult for the horses to walk on. They don't like it at all.
It's so bad that the horses don't want to come into the one corral area from the pasture (the one that Cassidy and Otto have been living in ) to get water. Unfortunately, the way we are set up, we have a designated area for the water tank because we have electricity run right next to for tank heaters. The option of moving the water tank is not an option.
The rest of the horses are in the other corral and theirs isn't as bad. They also aren't as bothered by the footing.. since they have grown accustom to this over the years.
Otto will come into the corral and walk around the edge of the fenceline where the divits and ground aren't quite as bad in order to get to his barn, but in order to get to the water, he has to go through the worst part of the footing.
So, I either let my horse get dehydrated or I have to somehow find a way to get him water. I have been haltering Otto a few times a day and dragging him over to the water tank so he can drink. It takes us forever because he doesn't like it but we eventually make it there with alot of coercing. Sometimes, I just haul a bucket out to him, which is easier and less time consuming. It's also the method he prefers , but I don't want him to come to expect that special treatment!
Obviously, neither of those are good long term solutions to our issue with this footing thing. Not a whole lot can be done because everything is frozen so hard. After talking it over last night, we decided to give something a try. It might turn out to be money thrown away because in realty NOW is not the time to be laying down gravel but we are going to anyways. It's really the only solution we can come up .
The idea is that with 6 inches of gravel laid down, it should completely fill the low spots and level it they have a level base to walk on. 3/4 " gravel with a binder should do the trick. Come spring, alot of it will sink in but gravel is cheap enough and we can bring more in to keep building it up, which is something we have been wanting to do anyways. We will place it in the barn , 6 feet in front of the barn , in front of the water tank and in front of the gate that goes in and out of the corral. That should pretty well cover the worst areas and hopefully help the horses travel alot easier.
Fingers Crossed!
Less than a week ago we had been getting torrential rains for about a two week period. As you can imagine, that made for a major mud disaster in the corrals. We have a type of dirt that is a mix between a clay like and sandy loam type soil so when it rains, our Mud is really something to behold. It's like gumbo. We also had standing water in many places because everything was so saturated, it wasn't sinking in any more. (you desert dwellers don't know how fortunate you are to have sand ) Horses came and went in and out of the corrals through the mud in order to get to the water tanks and barns. Well. with the artic blast on Sunday night, that all froze rock solid.
We are now left with really hard ground that has divits from hoof prints and high spots in between. Its ankle breaking footing and very difficult for the horses to walk on. They don't like it at all.
It's so bad that the horses don't want to come into the one corral area from the pasture (the one that Cassidy and Otto have been living in ) to get water. Unfortunately, the way we are set up, we have a designated area for the water tank because we have electricity run right next to for tank heaters. The option of moving the water tank is not an option.
The rest of the horses are in the other corral and theirs isn't as bad. They also aren't as bothered by the footing.. since they have grown accustom to this over the years.
Otto will come into the corral and walk around the edge of the fenceline where the divits and ground aren't quite as bad in order to get to his barn, but in order to get to the water, he has to go through the worst part of the footing.
So, I either let my horse get dehydrated or I have to somehow find a way to get him water. I have been haltering Otto a few times a day and dragging him over to the water tank so he can drink. It takes us forever because he doesn't like it but we eventually make it there with alot of coercing. Sometimes, I just haul a bucket out to him, which is easier and less time consuming. It's also the method he prefers , but I don't want him to come to expect that special treatment!
Obviously, neither of those are good long term solutions to our issue with this footing thing. Not a whole lot can be done because everything is frozen so hard. After talking it over last night, we decided to give something a try. It might turn out to be money thrown away because in realty NOW is not the time to be laying down gravel but we are going to anyways. It's really the only solution we can come up .
The idea is that with 6 inches of gravel laid down, it should completely fill the low spots and level it they have a level base to walk on. 3/4 " gravel with a binder should do the trick. Come spring, alot of it will sink in but gravel is cheap enough and we can bring more in to keep building it up, which is something we have been wanting to do anyways. We will place it in the barn , 6 feet in front of the barn , in front of the water tank and in front of the gate that goes in and out of the corral. That should pretty well cover the worst areas and hopefully help the horses travel alot easier.
Fingers Crossed!
Tuesday, November 11, 2014
Rearing
Otto has recently discovered a new trick!!
I was working on some ground work and lateral lungeing with him. I had taken him out of sight of the other horses and he wasn't happy but my attitude on that is .. too damn bad.. deal with it..
Well, he had other ideas. When he blew through the pressure of asking him to go from a trot to a walk on the line, I gave him a heftier tug to get him to "walk". His response was to go up, just a little bit with his front end, but then walked off . Ok.. Then he tried to trot away again. ( the brain is gone.. the feet go..) I asked for a walk and he went up again. This time, he went up a little higher .I pulled him to one side and he came down. I asked him to walk off again on the end of the line. He wanted to blast away. In his attempt to leave the scene , he hit the end of the rope, and he really went up in the air this time.. and added in some hang time. Special...
This went for several more times. I could not get the leverage on him I needed to get after him enough and stop the behavior. And I was late...
In hindsight , I realize I made a couple of mistakes. He was crowding me and I wasn't getting him away from me, so when he went up he was practically right over the top of my head.. not a good place to be. I also should have been quicker in my attempts to correct him before he could get up so high . My timing was off. Way off .
What was amazing to me is that he realized very quickly he had my number.(yep, I ain't proud) AND.. he took major advantage of it. I definitely learned something about his behavior/personality . I can't give him an inch.. I am sure he sensed a level of fear as well after about the 5th time, he was getting down right bull headed . The scenario went from bad to worse and no matter what I tried to do, his response was the rear. I know alot of this is the testosterone since he is not gelded yet but that it is still not acceptable. This behavior has also lent itself to his playtime with Cassidy. I often see Otto out there playing and rearing at liberty. Tendency? maybe.. Just feeling his oats.. probably. I truly believe for the first time in maybe a long time he has enough energy reserves that he can act on some testosterone type behaviors. I think before any spare energy was going into his growth.
So , as much as I didn't want to end to session having clearly lost, I did , because it was becoming a safety issue for me and him. I basically had to throw in the towel but not without getting the last word. As I turned him loose in the pasture and he went blasting away, I said
"Wait till your father comes home you little smart ass... we'll see who has the upper hand then!"
Talk about feeling like failure as a horse owner/trainer at that moment. I thought I had caused the issue somehow but couldn't figure out why. I knew Tom would be home in a couple of hours and I took solace in know he could help me. Normally, Tom lets me address most of my horse issues all on my own, because most of the time, I can figure it out. This time, I called Uncle. With age comes wisdom. I have a vested interest in keeping my skull from being tap danced on. I am so very thankful I have a spouse that is so good with this kind of stuf
So, "daddy" got home and as I predicted.. he had it sorted out within about 15 minutes. More importantly, he helped me figure out what I was doing wrong and coached me through it. I needed to stop letting Otto crowd me so much and I needed to drive him forward more. Even if he needs to move his feet and chooses to trot around, instead of walk (like what I ideally wanted) I was to let him but just direct his feet, and go with him...keep him on the circle, ask for a walk but don't insist. Let him sort through his options a little and hunt for the answer. Eventually he will offer to slow and reward that. Ofcourse, I know all of this.. this was nothing new.. i have coached others through this very same damn thing and yet here I was struggling.. Oh well..
The result was that Otto and I ended on a much better note. He was listening and so was I. Going forward I need to make sure I am not inadvertently causing him to react or respond in that way to pressure.
However, the rearing may still be there for a while. It's not gone..
Not yet.
Rearing is a scary deal, whether you are on the horse or on the ground. I will have my work cut out for me and ....
me thinks his doctor visit this spring for a certain "boy specific" procedure might be happening sooner rather than later!
I was working on some ground work and lateral lungeing with him. I had taken him out of sight of the other horses and he wasn't happy but my attitude on that is .. too damn bad.. deal with it..
Well, he had other ideas. When he blew through the pressure of asking him to go from a trot to a walk on the line, I gave him a heftier tug to get him to "walk". His response was to go up, just a little bit with his front end, but then walked off . Ok.. Then he tried to trot away again. ( the brain is gone.. the feet go..) I asked for a walk and he went up again. This time, he went up a little higher .I pulled him to one side and he came down. I asked him to walk off again on the end of the line. He wanted to blast away. In his attempt to leave the scene , he hit the end of the rope, and he really went up in the air this time.. and added in some hang time. Special...
This went for several more times. I could not get the leverage on him I needed to get after him enough and stop the behavior. And I was late...
In hindsight , I realize I made a couple of mistakes. He was crowding me and I wasn't getting him away from me, so when he went up he was practically right over the top of my head.. not a good place to be. I also should have been quicker in my attempts to correct him before he could get up so high . My timing was off. Way off .
What was amazing to me is that he realized very quickly he had my number.(yep, I ain't proud) AND.. he took major advantage of it. I definitely learned something about his behavior/personality . I can't give him an inch.. I am sure he sensed a level of fear as well after about the 5th time, he was getting down right bull headed . The scenario went from bad to worse and no matter what I tried to do, his response was the rear. I know alot of this is the testosterone since he is not gelded yet but that it is still not acceptable. This behavior has also lent itself to his playtime with Cassidy. I often see Otto out there playing and rearing at liberty. Tendency? maybe.. Just feeling his oats.. probably. I truly believe for the first time in maybe a long time he has enough energy reserves that he can act on some testosterone type behaviors. I think before any spare energy was going into his growth.
So , as much as I didn't want to end to session having clearly lost, I did , because it was becoming a safety issue for me and him. I basically had to throw in the towel but not without getting the last word. As I turned him loose in the pasture and he went blasting away, I said
"Wait till your father comes home you little smart ass... we'll see who has the upper hand then!"
Talk about feeling like failure as a horse owner/trainer at that moment. I thought I had caused the issue somehow but couldn't figure out why. I knew Tom would be home in a couple of hours and I took solace in know he could help me. Normally, Tom lets me address most of my horse issues all on my own, because most of the time, I can figure it out. This time, I called Uncle. With age comes wisdom. I have a vested interest in keeping my skull from being tap danced on. I am so very thankful I have a spouse that is so good with this kind of stuf
So, "daddy" got home and as I predicted.. he had it sorted out within about 15 minutes. More importantly, he helped me figure out what I was doing wrong and coached me through it. I needed to stop letting Otto crowd me so much and I needed to drive him forward more. Even if he needs to move his feet and chooses to trot around, instead of walk (like what I ideally wanted) I was to let him but just direct his feet, and go with him...keep him on the circle, ask for a walk but don't insist. Let him sort through his options a little and hunt for the answer. Eventually he will offer to slow and reward that. Ofcourse, I know all of this.. this was nothing new.. i have coached others through this very same damn thing and yet here I was struggling.. Oh well..
The result was that Otto and I ended on a much better note. He was listening and so was I. Going forward I need to make sure I am not inadvertently causing him to react or respond in that way to pressure.
However, the rearing may still be there for a while. It's not gone..
Not yet.
Rearing is a scary deal, whether you are on the horse or on the ground. I will have my work cut out for me and ....
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me thinks his doctor visit this spring for a certain "boy specific" procedure might be happening sooner rather than later!
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